Be honest with yourself

[warpeace2006]

I registered with a new nick-name for not influencing your choice, and to be free in your decision




After three years in Iraq.
After thousands of dead and injured soldiers; and still counting.
After billions of dollars spent, not on rebuilding Iraq, but on the war itself; and still counting.



One would pause for a minute and ask oneself with complete honesty;
Shall we get out of Iraq?



Consider this as a poll and vote with sincerity;
Shall we get out of Iraq?

[Gnome]

I am always free in my opinions.

I think we need to get the damn job done, then get out.

Bomb the Sunni Triangle. Divide Iraq up into sections for each of the various factions.

Pay for the war with Iraqi oil.

Quit fighting a PC war from Washington and let the generals on the ground do what they know needs to be done.

[MamaBush]

[color=magenta]I'm always up front as well.......with that said, here's my reply:[/color]
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[size=5][color=#ff00ff]I DON'T FUCKING KNOW[/color][/size]

[zokah]

I voted no, stay until the Iraqis are allowed to control their own destiny.
This however is an impossibilty because the only way they could achieve it is if the armed forces in place were placed soley under the command of the "elected" govt.
I would have taken the 2nd "No" option if only the goals were defined, they are as ambiguous as were the reasons for the invasion. At least as publically stated, we know it's all about who controls the oil.
Sadly "The coaltion of the willing" will be sacrificing many more in the years to come unless Dubyas replacement just walks away from it on assuming power and says "Screw the loss of face"

[MamaBush]

ha, unfortunately, Dubya's brother may be running for presidential office with our next elections....and if a Democrat is expected to win over a fucking Bush family member, they'd better be one hell of a democrat

[xen]

why take them out? you'll only have to send 'em back when dubya decides to invade Iran.

Or why not call them back and just shoot a 100 or so every month so it'll feel like they're in iraq liberating the poor iraqis and looks for the elusive WMDs, but still enjoying the comforts of home. I'm sure 'ol dicky won't have a problem "accidently" knocking them off every month..

The US has no business being in Iraq in the first place. but hey, they're still looking for the WMDs so the nay-sayers may be proven wrong yet...but forgive me if i don't hold my breath.

[zokah]

I suspect there could be a change of Govt in the UK in the future and hopefully in Oz as well, will the US continue if 2 allies withdraw?

[MamaBush]

it's stupid to continue now for shit's sake



I asked my kids if they knew why we are at war.....none of them got the answer right.
Then I started thinking....WHAT THE FUCK IS IT ALL ABOUT?



9/11???
oil???
terrorism???

[zokah]

The most believable of the many excuses dubya gave was "He (Saddam) wanted to kill my daddy"

It's been shown the major winners from this are the company that Rumsfield was with before joining the govt, Texas oil concerns and the co-conspiritors in the stadium scam.

[Gnome]

Y'all don't forget the Global agenda behind all of this.

While the exploitation of masses of low skilled workers and the obvious n w o feudal/socialism has made for some of the most ignorant debate I've ever seen in my beloved country the truth is ever more obscure. No help from a narcotic media who would rather discuss the finer points of Britny Spears baby dropping techniques
no damn doubnt about it.

but then-is strapping nail bombs on our kids and sending them out to play the antithesis?

gotta wonder about some folks silly notions especially when they consider some people to nasty to touch.

but then.. some people are too nasty to touch!

[zokah]

The real reason for this entire shitfight and countless millions of deaths thru the ages can be summed up in 3 letters G-O-D.
The opiate of the masses has been used to control the populace since before the start of recorded history. The Pharaohs used claim of being living gods in the earlist recorded history as did the Mayan rulers. The propaganda continues to this day - doesn't all American money have "In god we trust" printed on it, while the arabs believe "InsaAllah"(sp?) - if god wills it
If we could put all the nutcase holy men and those that even profess to believe the lie that there is a god up against the wall and shoot them the world would be better off

[Gnome]

It's only a amtter of time before that statement is removed from the currency in order not to offend anyone.

I think it's mans selfishness and ignorance and self destructive instinct that twists God and the energy of the universe to try to conform to his own schemes.

and always fails.

Yet we see God in the lillies of the field, the power of the ocean. a stars death, a newborns face- creation, love, spiritual awareness.

not these death cults

not the power that RELIGION weilds.

not all the gold, lies, sin, hatred.

It's not God that causes this, it's man and his own agenda.

[Raven]

nuke the entire region

[i`m a wannabe]

the middle east is nothing but a basket case israel included

[Gnome]

no doubt- I say move the Isralies to the United States- they can fuckin have Utah, then we tell the Arabs to go suck sand with the disclaimer that one more attack on US soil by jihadi fuckers we NUKe all major cities in the Arab world.

Then we drill through the earth and secretly tap into their oil while developing alternatives to fossil fuels.

I should be a muthafuckin diplomat.

[MamaBush]

hey now, not every country in the Arab world is bad you know....why NUKE all the major cities simply because they're Arab?

[zokah]

I agree with that, you don't need to nuke them all to achieve world peace.
The criteria for selecting which cities need to be hit with the biggest nukes mankind can devise is simple.
"Does this city/region have any religious significance to any sect?"
If the answer is yes then make it disappear.

My target list would commence with Jerusalem, Mecca, Medina

and just to be safe Rome along with Salt Lake city :D

[i`m a wannabe]

nah we will give you the magic red button

[xen]

if nuking the arabs really worked then we'd prolly have to nuke the whole earth as they are everywhere...shall we start with Aussieland, Raver?

[Gnome]

One has to look at the root of fundamental Muslim hatred. Most Muslims live on earth in peace, yet out the the 14 or so conflicts on planet mutherfucker, I believe 99% of them involve Muslims who for some or other reason , can't seem to get along with their neighbors. that has NOTHING to do with the US, Israel or the West in general.

Look at the history of the Muslim, long before the notion of Zionism hard core Islam suaght to convert or kill the Infidel. In the expasions of Islam they aquired great enlightenment from many cultures that drew them away from their hating the infidel ignorance. There where times in history the Arab lived along the Jew and the Christian in peace and made advancment. It always seems to get back to the 7th and 17th century Muslim mindset. Think conquest of Persia.

No we really can't nuke them. Conventional surgical strikes are much more modern form of combat. But what happens when the Muslims take over France or Holland? they will indeed have BIG nukes (think hydrogen bombs).

Do you think they would hesitate to use them to kill the infidel?

[xen]

meh...time to draw all the savings from the bank and start living it up...we're all going to die at the hands of either the arabs or the infidels....

[Gnome]

tribal warfare


future style

[i`m a wannabe]

israel has taken the intiative hezbollah kidnap 3 soldiers so all of southern lebanon cops a hiding. i would hate to be on the receiving end of the israeli`s when they really get pissed off big time

[zokah]

it's amazing that terrorist are launching rockets into Israel from southern Lebanon, the Leb govt wants Israel to stop bombing the shit out of it but won't do anything to stop the rocket launches

[Gnome]

Hence the lies of Lebanon and the UN. FUCK! The UN has had "peace keepers" there for how long? where the fuck are they? Yet the UN keeps pushing to have a UN tax laid on me so they can play games!? EAT ME!

I for one am sick and tired of this Middle East bullshit.

[zokah]

I've read recently that it was sponsored by Iran to stop the G* summit discuss their nuke program
I've also seen articles claiming it the "Big Lie" by Israel, nothing happened they just wanna kill some ragheads

which to believe?

[xen]

well, they launched the offensive based on the fact that their soldiers were kidnapped, but after the first round of bombings, these soldiers seemed to have disappeared from
the agenda.....I guess they're just having a lot of fun bombing the shit out of lebanon.

By virtue of israel's actions and the US silent support of it, India would be well justified
to bomb pakistan into oblivion following the train bombings in mumbai last week. But the minute they launch an offensive you can bet your last pubic hair that they would be comdemned and sanctioned by the international community.

The rules apply to everyon except the US and their cronies.

[zokah]

I've not kept right up with the India-Paki dispute but I wasn't aware the group of bombers were ID with the Paki govt?
And since both sides of that dispute already have nukes it could be much more serious while in the mid-east only 1 side is so armed ATM.
But India not being a mooslum nation would prolly get the US support

[xen]

India doesn't buy too many weapons from the US so they don't get the special customer service ;)

[xen]

so you won't be seeing mr. singh getting one of dubya's special shoulder rubs (http://www.goyk.com/video.asp?path=2744)


it's amazing how they elected this clown......twice....

[zokah]

It does say volumes for the stupidity of America

[MamaBush]

BUT, you outsiders must remember, who is picked for Prez is not based on the total number of ACTUAL VOTES....which I think it should be...it's based on the fucking ELECTORAL VOTE...which is down right stupid, old, and needs to be revamped.

[zokah]

and that say volumes for the stupidity of America

[i`m a wannabe]

at least here its a majority count...not a dodgey dubya count

[Gnome]

I'll bet W gets some good ol BBQ down with Senor Fox no damn doubt.

First lets remember that the current situation in that ancient region. This is hardly news
Think of the same scenarios over a thousand years before the Vikings discovered

the New World

Order

full into focus the post WWII mindset, the dissolution of widespread monocratic rule- yet the Big Money still rulez us.


Mama you mentioned our electoral college, and I'm right there, it needs to go, we need campaign finance reform, term limits, tort reform, an end to PACs Lobbyist, and all maneers of federal tax graft.

But consider the subterfuge of a 1 party system masquerading as a 2 party system fueled by Big Money and the utmost vanity.

And the We the Sheeple are too rytalined and prozaked to even fucking care.

Is Chinas methods of dealing with their Muslims even on the damn news in your respective nations? Or what particular religion a waring tribe in Africa is afiliated too after a big machette party?

Synthetic chiefs with frozen smiles holding unsteady
courses.
Grip the reins of history, high on their battle horses.

And meeting as good statesmen do before the T.V.
eyes of millions, hand to hand exchange the lie

pretend to make the clasp.
-tull

[zokah]

True democracy still has a slim chance of emerging from the quagmire.
The interent is the answer! Get rid of politicians and let the people vote on every issue

[xen]

the mods would just fuck with the polls like here :D

isn't it funny how they got to choose their prez from 2 clowns and yet they have 50 choices for ms. america.

[Gnome]

i'd rather hand the reins over to some airhead plastic surgery disaster than these SOB's that smile and sell snake oil.
no damn doubt about it.

[zokah]

prolly get better decisions as well

[MamaBush]

probably would....as long as the airheads had enough gum to chew and snap while making them there important decisions

[Gnome]

Bush??

[zokah]

he can't snap gum

[Gnome]

and walk at the same time...

[MamaBush]

no no no....that was Gerald Ford who couldn't chew gum and walk at the same time

[Gnome]

:lol:

hey-- anyone remember Billy Beer?



Speaking of Carter, we have Jack Carter, son of former president Jimmy Carter running for Sentate.

fucking carpetbagger!

[zokah]

I'd vote for him :D

[i`m a wannabe]

the beer is probably crap

[Gnome]

yea it was like repacaged stadium beer.

ghasty shit.

[i`m a wannabe]

i thought all yank beer was that

[MamaBush]

what are you blabbering on about this time, Wannabe?


I'll bet if the only beer you could get your hands on was yank beer, you'd drink it....right?

[zokah]

if it was the ONLY beer there's be no choice.

[Raven]

:lol:

[QUOTE=xen]meh...time to draw all the savings from the bank and start living it up...we're all going to die at the hands of either the arabs or the infidels....[/QUOTE]

[MamaBush]

[QUOTE=zokah]if it was the ONLY beer there's be no choice.[/QUOTE]yes there is


you have the choice of NOT drinking it.......silly man

[zokah]

thats like saying if there was only 1 woman left in the world and it was Barbra Bush it'd be better to jerk-off than get a BJ

[MamaBush]

oh mannnn....you'd boink ole Babs?

[Gnome]

get pix

[zokah]

[QUOTE=MamaBush]oh mannnn....you'd boink ole Babs?[/QUOTE]

I didn't say I'd boink her, I said I'd let her give me a BJ while I was drinking american beer if there were no other options

[i`m a wannabe]

both are a sorry sight

[zokah]

"any old port in a storm"



Hhhmmmm, that reminds me, I got a bottle of Galway pipe as a pressie and I haven't opened it yet. I think now would be a good time to wash away the bad taste

[Gnome]

how old is it?

[MamaBush]

galway Pipe????


you're gonna lay your pipe in what gal?

[Gnome]

i wish

[zokah]

[QUOTE=Gnome]how old is it?[/QUOTE]

I've had it since Sunday so it's old enuff :D

http://www.winestar.com.au/images/galway.jpg
it's been matured for between 12 to 15 years (it's a blend)


and yeah, if you can get a woman to appreciate it you can lay some pipe any way into a gal cos it's an opener ;)

[MamaBush]

ahhh....using booze to make a woman overcome the aversions she would have to you laying pipe in her....makes sense

[i`m a wannabe]

simple but effective wipe them all out

[zokah]

it also works better and faster than beer googles

[Gnome]

social lubricants

remember never drink porto before 11PM

[xen]

i'm hungry :(

[Gnome]

me too

I think i'll have some smashed avacado with hummos and pita. with some of these gigantor olives I found with some chilis and the leftover grilled portobello shrooms.








/burp*


pardon :lol:

[zokah]

meh, I gotta wait another couple of hours to eat.
The hard part is to decide which wine will go best with the leg of lamb I'm cooking

[MamaBush]

yo, Gnome....hows about sending some of that shit my way????

[Gnome]

/toast a pita for Mama

the store I frequent has an olive bar. a bit pricey but you can get all sorts of olives, artichoke hearts, mushrooms and such.

they got these big green olives that have garlic chuncks all over them

yum-o

[Gnome]

[QUOTE=zokah]meh, I gotta wait another couple of hours to eat.
The hard part is to decide which wine will go best with the leg of lamb I'm cooking[/QUOTE]

I like a full bodied merlot with lamb. but then most the lamb i ever eat is on a gyro.

[zokah]

I settled on a Jacobs creek 94 cabernet merlot.
Not a great wine but adequate and I've still got a few bottles of it left to polish off

[MamaBush]

[QUOTE=Gnome]/toast a pita for Mama

the store I frequent has an olive bar. a bit pricey but you can get all sorts of olives, artichoke hearts, mushrooms and such.

they got these big green olives that have garlic chuncks all over them

yum-o[/QUOTE]ooooo, have you ever had the large green olives stuffed with garlic cloves?


damn, they are so good they make me wanna cry

[Gnome]

love those olives they rock when theyve been soaking in a nice martini. the ones stuffed with jalapenos too. yum-o


[QUOTE=zokah]I settled on a Jacobs creek 94 cabernet merlot.
Not a great wine but adequate and I've still got a few bottles of it left to polish off[/QUOTE]

the hallowed Lee's (discount liqour warehouse) has been expanding it's selections of Aussie wines. So far I've been stuck on shiraz. i've been impressed with Wild Duck creek and Mclaren Vale, both 2001. was told to stash a few bottles for about another 3 years.

[zokah]

If you like whites, try and get some "Margaret River" white burgundy. It's the house white in my place
I haven't tried anything from Wild Duck creek (I can't even recall ever seeing it) but I've never had a bad drop from McLaren Vale

[i`m a wannabe]

most aussie wines are pretty good these days

[zokah]

I dunno abot that.
I tried a chardy from the Camden vinyard recently and it was so bad I even drank a Budwiser just to get the taste out of my mouth.
I hate attending sponsored charity events, they never have any decent booze

[Gnome]

HAAA!

We have a few good booze bashes here. Once a year we have the UNLvino, wine tasting event from the university. Money goes to scholarship programs and it's operated by the food and beverage college that supplies the casino/resort industry with staff such as samaliers and such, so it's pretty serious.

We have a few other charitable type events that arnt too bad.

The true gems are the cellars in the high end resturants all over town. many of them hold some kind of fundraising event once in awhile, good eats and spirits.

Once place, Rosemarys resturant not only has a kick ass wine list and food, but they also do a beer/food pairing thats unbeliveable. The above mentioned college is also persuing greater interest in beers as part of it's curriculum, in no small part due to the organization that I belong to. We brought the BJCP (beer judge certification program) to the university and our members teach the classes. So Billy Bob enrolled in the hotel managment program gets propery schooled that good beer is NOT Coors light or some roach urine swill that cost $5 a case.

[MamaBush]

I can't drink wine....instant heartburn


can't drink brandy either, or anything made from fermented fruit.



wanna see the biggest bitch ever?....get some fermented fruit booze in me....ha

[i`m a wannabe]

a yabbering drunk?

[zokah]

or just a yabberer?

I don't mind attending the events that have good booze, (like the 1s my surfclub organises) but these others that where I gotta go as the handbag the companies have to make a donation to be the providers of record. Since they aren't the fashionable charaties nobody is actually gonna pay to have people drink good booze. 1 of the worst ever was sponsored by Bacardi and the only booze served all night were some of their new flavored "Breezers"
Peach flavored rum doen't do much for me but it was better than boysenberry :chunders:

[i`m a wannabe]

as i said zokie most aussie wines are ok.. i didnt say all :p

[xen]

i'm sleepy :(

[Gnome]

i'm Dopey

wheres that saucy hoe Sno White at? her and her uncontrollable midget fetish

she cant tell a dwarf from a gnome!


but I digress


in my simple jaded life, one simple pleasures I treasure.

usually, on Fridays in the aformentioned Lees or a few other booze outlets have-

The Booze Girls


Quite simply, they are hired representatives (models) from the regional distributers of various spirits; from wine to tequila (ahhhhhhh).

They have a table at the shops on these afternoons, dressed rather scantilly, and they hand out free samples of their wares. Superb marketing!

gee, i'm a simple minded some' bitch.. some pretty girl ina halter top handing out free shots...


yea

[xen]

hey waddaya know, they have dem alkeyhol grils here in hk too!!

[Gnome]

I rarely buy whatever it is their selling, unless its a good wine.

I'm too set in my ways for tequila, scotch, or other whiskey.

and they seldom have any beer.

[xen]

but they shore are fun to look at eh?

[Gnome]

yea, i like it when a girl has to smile at me because she gets paid to. A buddy of mine who works the till at one place gets to hit on em all day long.

lucky dog!

[xen]

meh, most of the nice bars here have some lady in to promote some particular brand of booze, they're polite, offer you their wares and if you decline ( politely) they give you a sweet smile and move on. I'm always polite coz i imagine it prolly not very easy working in a bar filled with men trying to look up your skirt.

[Gnome]

no doubt, I wont give these girls a hard time like these drunk assholes who think they can get lap dances from them. For them it's just a gig to pay the bills.

[zokah]

it'd be a bitch of a job, trying to give away booze without getting groped

[Gnome]

especialy when they wear push up bras, and short dresses!

[MamaBush]

hmmm, maybe that's what I'm doing wrong


first, I must get a job promoting booze
second, I must buy a push up bra
third, I must invest in some short dresses

[Gnome]

two and three would work just fine.

[xen]

[QUOTE=MamaBush]hmmm, maybe that's what I'm doing wrong


first, I must get a job promoting booze
second, I must buy a push up bra
third, I must invest in some short dresses[/QUOTE]



why? I can barely keep my eyes and hands off you as it is....

[zokah]

[QUOTE=Gnome]two and three would work just fine.[/QUOTE]

I think one would be better, just think of all the freebies we'd get :lol: :lol:

[MamaBush]

I wouldn't give you a drop, Zokah


and, thanks Xen.....*smooches*

[zokah]

I'm ringing the agency and telling them you won't give samples!
You gonna lose your job :p

[MamaBush]

well.....you just go ahead and do that....I aint scared of your threats


Xen?????.....do something

[Gnome]

[COLOR=MediumTurquoise]Oh mighty Arkleseizure, thou gazed from high above. And sneezed from out thy nostrils, a gift of bounteous love. The universe around us emerged from thy nose. Now we await with eager expectation, thy handkerchief, to bring us back to thee.
[End singing] [/COLOR]

[xen]

'tis ok, i offered teh rest of the bar crowd a free round if they tie up zokie and leave him in the toilet till closing....

[zokah]

ya gonna leave me in the bar overnight?

you gonna get a massive bartab 2morrow :D

[xen]

i said till closing then they'll toss your a$$ out

[zokah]

but this bar never closes so you gonna have to buy a lot of booze for the 60 or so people in here

[Gnome]

and I don't drink cheap beer.

[xen]

that's ok, i'll do it coz it'll mean mama will be safe from you. Also the longer the bar
stays open the longer you have to stay tied up in the toilet...and there's only
one pot in there so after all those beers you'll had 60 odd people pissing all over you

[zokah]

heh, but 59 of them are my friends and the other is gnomey, do you really think you can trust them if you try and sneak off to join mama?
I'm not worried about being pissed on cos the restrooms here are only used for taking drugs and the occasional desparate knee-trembler

[Gnome]

besides I can use the sink, trashcan or the back alley to urinate like they do in New Orleans

[zokah]

why do you think there are potted palms in the corners?

[Gnome]

oh yea, I was wondering why they was growing so well.

[i`m a wannabe]

if i water the plants they will surely die

[xen]

yep they surely will

[Gnome]

surely, no damn doubt about it.

[MamaBush]

absolutely

[Gnome]

right-o

[zokah]

I disagree

[MamaBush]

oddballass....ya, YOU

[Gnome]

he is not in acordance

[MamaBush]

perhaps he may be in


aCCordance.....tee hee

[zokah]

but I'm right, so there!

[MamaBush]

as long as you believe it, that's all that matters

[Gnome]

spell check matters too, but I'm too lazy anymore.

[xen]

meh spelign si fro dewebs

[i`m a wannabe]

spelling and grammar has been lost to chat rooms

[Gnome]

agreed wannabe

I have to admit i'm appalled by how degenerated my basic language and spelling skills have become. I need to get my ass off to some remedial community college right quick here.

i can spot a misspelled word like a brair rabbit in the eyes of an eagle on the spring thaw, problem is, I can't do anything about it..

[zokah]

it's due to the "whole english" taught in skoolz beginning about 25 years ago.

[MamaBush]

ha, I refuse to let my students think they can misspell words and get away with it.

[Gnome]

as well you should Mama. We need to teach these little brats basics of readin' writin' and cypherin'.

I wonder how many US kids could find Lebannon on a map if a Kalishnokoff was pointed at their heads.

[MamaBush]

don't know what a "Kalishnokoff" is, but it doesn't sound good.

hell, when I taught social studies last fall, most of my kids couldn't find the continent of Africa, or the countries of Mexico, Iceland, Greenland, and knew only the state they live in and some knew Indiana and Wisconsin.


it was sooo sad. And I was teaching middle school. Interesting thing is.....they ALL wanted to learn, and did. They told me no one had ever taught them about other continents or countries.

[zokah]

.......only in America

http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/Blog+Image_american-world1-773341.jpg

[Gnome]

Canada...leading the world in being.. just North of the United States.

A Kalishnokoff is the weapon of choice for the Russian and Chinese armies. AK-47

it's also the standard weapon of the bums in dirty nightshirts.

I've perused American history books and I'm flabbergasted. World War II and Vietnam took up no more than a page! No elaboration on the Revolutionary war and the events leading up to the colonies breaking from Britain. In fact I've heard the term Founding Fathers' is being dropped because it's male dominated and sounds not politically correct.

[zokah]

so it's gonna be changed to the Founding Families?

[MamaBush]

[QUOTE=Gnome]Canada...leading the world in being.. just North of the United States.

A Kalishnokoff is the weapon of choice for the Russian and Chinese armies. AK-47

it's also the standard weapon of the bums in dirty nightshirts.

I've perused American history books and I'm flabbergasted. World War II and Vietnam took up no more than a page! No elaboration on the Revolutionary war and the events leading up to the colonies breaking from Britain. In fact I've heard the term Founding Fathers' is being dropped because it's male dominated and sounds not politically correct.[/QUOTE]this is why I use the internet more than text books when teaching American History....and make my kids do research on the internet to view differing stories about American History, then open up a discussion on what they've found.

[Gnome]

I'm amazed at how watered down and PC text books are. They go through so many special interest commitees in order to make sure any particular group is not offended.

I've heard they even have gone as far as ommiting things like mountains because some urban kids may feel disenfranchised because they never seen mountains.

they have to be gender, ethnic, food, religion, etc ambigous. THey fucking worry more about the PC than the content.

The Founding Fathers are now called The Framers.

No! the FUCKING FRAMERS are illegal Mexican labor building the crackerboard houses by the square mile all over this town, working for cheap, thus undermining the journeyman trying to feed his family who put in years to build up a trade.

[zokah]

I thought the framers were the cops?

While I am generally a supporter of political correctness there has gotta be some commonsense used with it.

Where teh missus works they had to cancel xmas party for the kids cos it offended the muslims and they claimed the place should be non-religious
Didn't they get pissed when a couple of "christian" parents got bacon put on the menu for breakfast and stopped the serving of halal meat due to it's religious connitations

[MamaBush]

I'm all for PC when it comes to hurting an individual or group of individuals WITH WORDS.


But, as Zokah pointed out, common sense is fucking lacking in this world.



Unfortunately, most of the DECISIONS made in schools is done by lawyers and not educators. Same with the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND bullshit....all done by lawyers, with very little to no input from the people in the trenches.

[Gnome]

PC is the result of lack of comon sense.

When we need fucking lawyers to tell us whats palatable to everybody, that shows the depth that our cultures have disintegrated.

There is a difference between hatred and vitriol aimed at any person or group, it's another thing entirely to sugarcoat everything so everybody is caaamfortable and not offeeeeended. Every body is happy happy, everybody is equal or we will make them equal, even if that means dumbing down the smart kids so the slower kid doest feel left out.

So instead of understanding our differences, helping each other and learning to cooperate, we just allow the State to tell us whats right and whats wrong, and I've seen in a short time, just about a generation- how thats panned out.

The questions is: who do we allow to tell us whats politically correct and whats not?

[zokah]

Most of it is actually proscribed by law.
The politicians listen to those that cry loudest and those that pay money.
So I s'pose it's the rich crybabies that define PCness

[MamaBush]

yup....most is law

[Gnome]

funny thing is the most hardcore liberal leftfucks who bitch and moan about the poor the minorities etc are some of the richest fuckers around. With lawyers trying to milk the whole thing for all it's worth. The ACLU gets well greased. Some of the most Left leaning Demoncats like the Fienstiens and the Schumers and Kennedys are the richest in the whole fucking Congress!

[zokah]

Those that have inherited great wealth sometimes have sympathy for the less fortuante

[Gnome]

is that why those same rich fatcat Democrats raise taxes on the middle class, allow unchecked immigration that displaces American poor and unfair free trade agreements that exploits cheap labor in China and South America?

I believe these robberbarrons like to say they are for the poor and downtrodden, but their coffers get stoked with Big Money all the same.
They are so dissconnected with the poor they supposedly represent.

[zokah]

that can also happen

[MamaBush]

hell, anything can happen....no matter how much money someone has, or what political party they belong to.

[i`m a wannabe]

politics and political correctness suck arse

[Gnome]

bring it all down man!

[zokah]

the best thing about being involved in politics is the free booze

[Gnome]

I can only imagine the wine list at a $1000 a plate luncheon with speaker Bill Clinton.

[zokah]

heh, I saw that when he was out here, most of it was in the $20-$50 range.
The exceptions were the cognac and the port

[i`m a wannabe]

most pollies are silly enough as it is without the booze

[Gnome]

Imagine sitting at a table with a bunch of syncophants, watching the plastic surgery slide off their stepford wives faces as they scheme and lie and pat each other on the back and regale tales of golf.

[zokah]

that part is the price you pay for good cheap booze.
The last time I was at the state parliment house for a meal, I also bought a pack of smokes and a round of drinks (3 Chivas regals+ 1 Makers mark) - I got $40something change from a 50. The conversation was good as well, sex and football

[Gnome]

doesn't sound like a bad shindig at all. plus some serious networking opportunities.

[xen]

meh zokie's just hoping to get some politico drunk and then have his evil way with him.

[zokah]

you almost got it right.
Senator Natasha Stott Despoja is 1 I'd like to have my way with
http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=image/view/1131



I can't understand why people won't vote for her

http://users.bigpond.net.au/jonjayray/natasha.JPG

[Gnome]

I'd vote for her no doubt

better than what we got here

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2005/08/18/images/06hunt.jpg



I can't understand why people won't vote for her

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/yearinreview/top.stories/01/link.hillary.clinton.jpg

[zokah]

they mustn't like her husband :D

http://www.markmansfield.com/images2/votehillary.jpg

[Gnome]

Theres little doubt in my mind that Hillary will be the next president, and it would be a perfect follow up with the current administration.

From false-conservative Globalism to openly Socialist/Globalism in a few short years. Once we get more illegals over the border many can get free tranny operations at taxpayer expense.

yay for America.

[MamaBush]

I don't think the United States is ready to vote in a woman for president just yet....no matter who the woman is.

[zokah]

I gotta agree, they'll have to have a female VP first, despite her already having run the country during those times Bill was busy with the interns

[Gnome]

people entertain the notion of Condi Rice running. The woman is obviously over her head. And I mean that with all due respect, I like her better than Bush, and I voted for the cocksucker.

I'm rather dismayed at the pathetic level of ANY viable leadership displayed anywhere in our government, it's like a fucking three ringed carny show full of stunted syncophants and prozac zombies.

i didn't say that.

[zokah]

and the voting machines are broken so who knows what'll happen.
I'm dismayed by the lack of credible pollies worldwide over recent years

[MamaBush]

I have to say that sometimes I think the American citizens are afraid of change, be it a good change or a bad change. They'd much rather stick with the status quo since they already know what it's like, rather than learning to live with new or different ideas or ideals. Which is why I think if Dubya's brother may be the fucking contender in the next elections.

As far as Rice is concerned....she has many things going against her:

1) She's female (U.S. not ready for that)
2) She's Black (U.S. not ready for that)
3) She works under Bush (says a lot)
4) Most Blacks find her to be a sell-out (and I have to agree with that)

[Gnome]

Theres no damn doubt that it was a severe tactical error on her part to even be involved in the Bush cabinet, she's not stupid by any stretch, I've read two (short) biographies on her career. So my guess is she's just another souless marionette that frequents the belt way.

Americans are indeed afraid of change. bloated lifestyles full of lots of TV time.

Condi looks so good on TV playing that piano.

[zokah]

I think being part of the cabinet was a smart move for her personally and women/coloureds in general.
She was never going to go much further because of the predjudices. A high profile coloured woman opens the way for the next to go a bit higher.
Maggie Thatcher was just in the right place at the right time, ther was no credible opposition either within her own party nor the opposition.
That the Fauklands war showed she had more balls than some men wasn't surprising either.

The senator I posted earlier was one the 1st female leaders (on a national level) that this country has had, and all were from a minor party. Too bad for them they decided to kick her to the curb

[Gnome]

The Falklands was somewhat unpopular, the radical Imams used it for fuel agaisnt Britains government for years. The leftist/hippies used it to espouse their viewpoints agaisnt the US, NATO and the UN here, even though the official White House position was neutrality

Thats what scares me. Condi is perfectly PC for our times. So I wonder the question: is she window dressing for the Globalist?

[zokah]

She does sprout the party lines............

[Gnome]

Ahh but whats amazing is the obvious un-Republican actions of this current state of affairs. THeres hardly ANYTHING Republican about Bush, cabinet and Congress.

[xen]

wonder when the bill to outlaw pretzels will be passed...

[zokah]

I always have trouble telling the 2 major US parties apart, their policies are always so similar, sadly over the last 12 years Oz has gone down the same path.
It's almost enuff to make an old radical cry into his beer

[MamaBush]

when I was a kid, the two major parties were very different


now, it's all the same ole same ole from both of them....kinda sad

[xen]

From the way I see, they have a huge popularity contest every 4 years and then the winner goes on to try and make himself as unpopular as possible.....

[Gnome]

the only people the lawmakers work for are the corporations and foreign governments. Then it's a smear campaign back and forth.

What disgust me is how the public sucks it up off the sheets.

[zokah]

I often wonder what would happen if a candidate came out and admitted he was a drinker and a playa

I'd vote for him cos you'd know he was honest :D