telemundo uno

[Gnome]

[COLOR=DarkOrange]A great deal of our human history involved masses of people moving from point A to B for one reason or another, it's one of the 'modern' humans distinctive connection the the hunter/gatherer. We all have the cold-eyed nomad watching the first light of dawn inside of us


However our hyper-technical fragmented modern society who has in my opinion, seriously lost touch with it's past still enjoys the mass migrations of people. Today people slowly bug out of their traditional territories to follow the almighty dollars instead of caribou. This of course, makes them easily exploitable by the technocratic robberbarrons.

Each continent has it's particular migrant. Europe, for example is seeing a large number of Muslims comming in over the past few decades. Muslims generally looking for an improvment in economic and/or social conditions. I can venture that a very realistic reason is to escape the oppressive conditions juxtaposed by the mega rich oil sheiks on one side and wacked out fundamentalist imams and ayatolahs on the other. The benifits for the E.U. of this influx in largly uneducated, cheap labour are more or less easily seen in the quantity of a nations GNP output and the ratio of new citizens. The corollary to this is watching the disintegration of the homelands they left in terms of economic and social growth, national debt and ability to re-pay. These factors or course, are inter-dependant upon the nature and ability of these poorer nations governments to do any fucking good at all to improve the lot of their poor. We hear how the Islamo-facist denounce the West for it's decadent opulance yet king omar ahmed whonot comes to Vegas with three custom private 747's, one for him and his ministry, the second to haul his wives, and the third for the luggage. The sports drinks and Cristal are freely passed about with never a touch of an infidel TSA agents hand.

The current Hispanic migration to the United States also is driven by similar factors. Mexico is a fairly raw material rich country, especially in regards to oil. Yet bear in mind Mexicos government owns the petroleum companies and forbids any private enterprise with it. The anarchist's would like to believe that it's the fault of U.S. 'imperialism' keeping the Mexican poor down and all, yet they go limp at the argument that in the 20+ years of various Free Trade agreements sponsored by the U.s. the government of Mexico has exploited not only the labor of these workers to mass produce cheap crap but by forcing their poor to legaly and illegaly migrate to the United States and the subsequent billions of dollars these New Americans send back every year. Does Fox and Co. invest that money into education? into infrastructure? Hell fucking no.

Thus we see a massive diaspora of Hispanics coming to the land of rape and honey, to find a better life. God bless them, my heart goes out to these hard working, familia based faithful people. They will be well suited for the new world odor global economy. Mr Middle Class American has yet to sit up and take notice, to busily absorbed in football, weak beer and Britney Spears belly button to notice that his ass is taking the back seat to mass migration.[/COLOR]

[FONT=Impact][COLOR=Sienna]next- Landscapers Symphony or "Si senor, we like to work in the hot sun..."[/COLOR][/FONT]








END OF SIDE A

[zokah]

those who have nothing, have nothing to lose. Pride takes a backseat to need and a desire for better.
Migrants have always done the shittiest jobs, often for 2 shifts.
Give them time and they'll contribute more than those that choose to live off the fat their forefather generated

[MamaBush]

was that your essay?

[Gnome]

it's the start of my essay Mama, more to follow once I get some fish oil in my brain.

Zokes, thats one item I'll look at in detail, how the influx of cheap labor is pushing out entry level jobs for American minorities who may as well just go directly to welfare.

of course none of the race baiters like Jessy Jackson or Sharplton seem to be opening public discussion of the issue among African Americans.

[MamaBush]

*waits for next installment*

[zokah]

We've got similar problems and we've also got a 25% youth unemployment rate.
The powers that be will not acknowledge that the 2 are related

[Gnome]

exactly. the US unemployment rate according to theFeds was 4.8% in July. So my guess is thr 5000+ migrants that come over the border NIGHTLY are getting onto welfare and such.

Hard to believe, theres American kids who get denied grants and scolarships to college, yet there actually a debate to wherether or not such things should be granted on the basis of citizenship or not.

I'm guessing Mexico DOES NOT give grants and scolarships to non citizens.

[zokah]

I don't oppose awarding some scholarships to promising students from 3rd world countries, with the understanding that once the education is complete they return to their native lands for a set period to utilise the skills and maybe do some teaching.
We've got a lot with permanant residency here but IMO they should not be given higher education at taxpayers expense because they haven't become citizens

[Gnome]

I think it demonstrates one of the greter attributes of my country. That we are willing to accept students from some tird world nation who only exports death and drugs and educate them in some of the finest schools around. My issue is handing over these free rides to people who have broken the law. And a nation without laws WILL disintegrate.

I'm pretty sure If I just showed up in just about any other country in the world I'd be held in jail pending extradition, extorsion or execution, not handed a free fucking welfare check, free fucking medical and free fucking education and free fucking housing.

[zokah]

meh, I thought you were a yank not an aussie? :D

[MamaBush]

[QUOTE=Gnome]I think it demonstrates one of the greter attributes of my country. That we are willing to accept students from some tird world nation who only exports death and drugs and educate them in some of the finest schools around. My issue is handing over these free rides to people who have broken the law. And a nation without laws WILL disintegrate.

I'm pretty sure If I just showed up in just about any other country in the world I'd be held in jail pending extradition, extorsion or execution, not handed a free fucking welfare check, free fucking medical and free fucking education and free fucking housing.[/QUOTE]one must remember, in the United States, you cannot get government loans if you've ever been found guilty of a felony.



wonder if they waive that for the foreign students?

[Gnome]

Right now many avocacy groups are trying to overturn felon disenfranchisement, along with voting rights, and gun ownership of all things.

What amazes me is illegal aliens, many who have fraudulent documentation, fake SS numbers, fake green cards etc, not only qualify for government grants, but social programs. Yet if I, a taxpayer was found to have a ficticious social security number, thats a felony, I'd probably do time.

[MamaBush]

not probably, you WOULD do time

[Gnome]

Oh no doubt. And if I owed back taxes on a ficticious SS number the IRS would dry fuvck me the rest of my life.


But then we have Elvira Arellano, who is going to become the poster child for the pro-illegal immigration movement.

LINK (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/16/D8JHRKAO2.html)

I say pro-illegal because, as so many left leaning groups would like to cloud the issue saying that "Aww we should be ashamed of ourselves for hating the poor, hardworking Hispanics" They ignore the fact that the issue is NOT immigration, and they are too stupid to comprehend the word 'illegal'.

This womans son is an American citizen, quite probably because she had him here-aoutomatico NEW AMERICAN. So of course the bleeding hearts have to yell and screm the facist US government is going to rip apart a family, or possibly violate a church sanctuary. The fuckers won't acknowlege that she

A)Had a ficticious (or stolen) Social Security number.

B) was already deported once for being here illegally.

Are we a nation of the rule of law? or will mob rule take over? I can't wait to see what happens when every mojado fresh across the muddy Rio wants to hole up in every church withing walking distance of the fucking border.

Heres an idea-

Deport ALL of the 30% prison population that are illegals back to country of origin. Families can stay here and pay back taxes and fines for bogus documents, which is more lienient than if I had fake docs. Troops on the border NOW! stop the inflow of drugs and New Americans. Anybody else has to apply for citizenship, pay back taxes after a thorough background check.

Bill fucking Vicente Fox for the ballance.

[zokah]

meh, the stoopid bitch wants to stay in the church for the rest of her life, let her do it.
If she comes out then they can bust her ass and deport her.
She then has a choice to make - does she send her child out to get an education?
If yes, grab the kid for being neglected and put him in the system designed to care for children abandoned by the parents. It's where the kid is gonna finish anyway if she wants him to remain in America

[Gnome]

She should have come here by the book, like my ancestors did. Like the many who do it and get cheated by the illegals.

She needs to be responsible for her actions, not removed from it. Her people need to get off their lazy asses and take back their own goddamn country. or assimilate in this one.

[MamaBush]

My Native American side says ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT NATIVE TO THIS LAND BELONG BACK IN THEIR ANCESTORS COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN.


Then my German side says MY ANCESTORS CAME HERE LEGALLY, THROUGH ELLIS ISLAND, SO THE REST OF YOU GET BACK TO YOUR COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN.



bottom line on "illegals" is.....a lot wouldn't be allowed to live here if they tried to do it "legally" due to past legal offences in their coutries of origin. So, they do it illegally and hope for the best, maybe get caught, sent back to their countries of origin, then find another way into the U.S.


it's a vicious cycle, been going on forever, and I don't see it ending any time soon.

[i`m a wannabe]

a continual cycle that spins money for a select few

[Gnome]

Mama thats my view on this whole "reparations for slavery" bullshit. If anyone deserves reparations is the native Americans. My Irish and german ancestors came over after the abolishment of slavery, and I know the Micks were treated as badly as the blacks where.

The vast majority of countries will only consider the best and brightest they can get as far as immigrants, they won't entertain nthe notion of bringing in criminals. Yet we have mara Salvatrucha, horrible criminals who enter the US illegally bringing gang crime and drugs who have openly declared war against the US authorities and citizenry and they get free medical and housing etc.

They should be held in CHAINS and deported immediatly or put to work on a chin gang if they have rap sheets.

[zokah]

even being on an island doesn't stop them from coming

[xen]

great thread, great essay

gnomey you're made your points well, i have to agree with everyting you've said. it seems that the II's have more rights these days than your average joe and the treatment they receive seems to belie the fact that they are ultimately illegal.

[Gnome]

:cool: thanks

[FONT=Times New Roman]"Si senor, we like to work in the hot sun..."[/FONT]

[COLOR=YellowGreen]My first job out of high school was that of landscaper/gardener and construction site labor. I started in early spring, when it was relativly nice out. By the onset of summer I had an expanded appreciation for the Nevada sun and the human bodies capacity for endurance and strength. I believe hard work in the open air is good for the mind, body and soul. The only serious drawback was it payed for shit.

As my skills increased and I became more knowlegable in plants and their well being, irrigation became a specialty yet my pay increased only marginally. I tried for years to get onto the crews at the swank resorts and union golfcourses, but those jobs where highly sought after and turnover was very low. 25 an hour in the school district or 35 for a golf course sprinkler man would be a pretty swank gig. But I was set working for a glorified slum lord and going to school for art in the evenings. The only other area in my quasi-horticultural field that would have offered better opportunities was that of freelance gardener. THrow your gear and in the back of the truck and mow, blow and go. But getting that kind of business off the ground wasn't realistic with my schedule.

I met some very interesting individuals in that sojourn. Some cool some not so much. It was semi skilled labor that required little education. I worked along side ex-cons and junkies, Christians and Arabs, fucks offs and hard workers, bright, witty folks and some of the most ignorant of idiots. And the largest man I've ever met in my life, Frank, from Checkoslovokia who was 6'11", 300lbs of lean muscle. He worked his ass off, spoke no English and could lift really heavy shit in both arms and move like a freight train, all with a big shiteatting grin on his face.

Many fellow laborors where Hispanic. Californias lushly landscaped yuppie hell had been tended well for many years by the Mexicanos; the Southwest was built by their shoulders. Vegas was growing and for many years has been a boom for construction and landscaping. However one symptom of the readily available cheap labor that was streaming in from California began taking it toll on the predominatly white labor that was moving out from the East. Steel, timber, and manufacturing lost to Asia, Canada and South America. Many businesses that had traditionaly required skills such as electrician, finish carpentry, supply and material and so on had to hire cheaper labor in order to compete pushing out the journeymen. Private landscape businesses where able to get more stuff done with a small army of cheap labor. The casinos and resorts take atvantage of cheap Hispanic labor for housekeeping, food and maintainance. I forgot how many beds there are in town, but it's a rediculous number.

It is the perfect opportunity for the Hispanics. They are hard working, faith and family rooted, this is indeed the Nu World. Their Ne w Worl d Order began in 1518 when conquistoras Cortez came a callin'. They will be well suited to the New Ne w worl d ord er. I learned much about the culture and enough Spanish to get myself in trouble.

Just about all the Hispanics I worked with had green cards (they indeed are not green but an officious looking blue/black/white). I heard many a lament they had towards those who snuck past system that was, in their words, going to fuck everything up for the ones doing it by the book someday. This would bring unneccesary attention.

It's been many years since I left that career. Nowadays I see the proverbial Calvin pissin on the words La Migra on the backs of cars, a clear attitude towards the Border and Immigration organizations who are overwelmed by a tide of unchecked humanity. A movement of people that is changing demographics of the last remaining superpower.

Thats the funny part.

Why just today Ford anounounces they have to shut down production at ten assembly plants from now until the end of the year. But thats just the beginning. For the next 10 years the auto manufacturer will shed a buttload more jobs, to the tune of 30,000.

[SIZE=1][Mama I'd like to hear your perspective on the impact of this industry][/SIZE]


MMMkay- we are importing workers at approximatly 5000 a day. The math starts to hurt my head. Especially when I think more qualified people are expected to see to those kind of numbers and they set the intererest rates.


I like to attend to my yard. I like to hand manicure my water friendly landscape. After a long day sitting behind the phosphorecent happy box it's a nice break. Sometimes I like working in the hot sun.[/COLOR]


[SIZE=1]Next...Please don't wave a foreign flag in my face [/SIZE]

[zokah]

The thing I've noticed watching a bit of TV - COPS and the show about the ASPCA - is the seemingly high percentage that do not even have a rudimentry knowledge of english despite apparently having lived in the country for generations

[Gnome]

EXACTLY!

Most older immigrants legal or not, only get "English lessons" from their kids who are going to public schools. They don't 'need' to learn English, thus we spend extra taxpayers money to prints ballots in multiple languages.
Seems both sides of the issue won't discuss what the cost is when you throw kids who speak little or no English in a classroom with kids raised on English. Then they measure the lack of English skills as a 'serious signal' of failing educaton.

But then, dont be fooled by the old ruse. Many Mexicans have selective levels of English comprehension, depending on what the situation calls for.

[zokah]

That is a trait of all immigrants.
Still you should think yourself lucky to only being invaded by Mexicans, it could be worse and it could be coming from the north instead - French speaking Canadians :D

[Gnome]

unfortunatly all the disgruntled Democrats who moved up there when Bush won really fucked it up for the rest of us. The churlish Americans left a blight whererever they went.

[MamaBush]

[QUOTE=Gnome]EXACTLY!

Most older immigrants legal or not, only get "English lessons" from their kids who are going to public schools. They don't 'need' to learn English, thus we spend extra taxpayers money to prints ballots in multiple languages.
Seems both sides of the issue won't discuss what the cost is when you throw kids who speak little or no English in a classroom with kids raised on English. Then they measure the lack of English skills as a 'serious signal' of failing educaton.

But then, dont be fooled by the old ruse. Many Mexicans have selective levels of English comprehension, depending on what the situation calls for.[/QUOTE]and kids who have a primary language other than English, cost more to educate in our public schools, because they are labeled as needing special educational services as ESL or ELL.

[Gnome]

what I find interesting is how, statistically Asian immigrant kids master English within a few months whereas I work with people from Honduras who have been here 20 years and speak like 3rd graders.

[MamaBush]

a lot of that has to do with the culture of the people.

[Gnome]

no doubt.

However, I can gaurantee that if any of us went to just about any semi-civilized country on earth to become a citizen, we would be expected to assimilate by the very least learning a modicum of the langage. Most certainly in order to conduct business or aquire the privelege of a drivers licence.

Here in the Southwest we have accidents every day involving a Mexican national who for lack of any reasonable understanding of English involved themselves and others in an accident. It's important to be able to read the words: School Zone, Construction Ahead, or Yield. But we do not require understanding of basic English for a licence. Furthermore things like insurance and traffic citations mean little to someone who can't make out the words. I do know that if I was involved in an accident in Mexico, if I was stupid enough to drive there, not only would my lack of Spanish comprehension not be a defense but I'd probably have to pay off the cops and the magistrate just to get out of jail, and I would be expected to hire my own interpreter out of pocket to represent me in court that I would have to attend or else.

Here the Mexican national get free legal representation. Free as in taxpayer footed representation.



I'm all for immigration, but for fucks sake learn some English like my not too distant ancestors had to.

[xen]

wow, you really do feel strongly about this don't you? I guess i can't really relate as no one wants to move TO india, only OUT ;)

In fact I'm an immigrant.....damn, don't hate me ;p

[zokah]

It does amaze me how poeple that cannot read the language let alone speak it get a drivers licence. Here at least they have to pass a written (well, it's on a computer these days) test and while they are allowed an interpreter they are supposed to recieve no assistance :rolleyes Why are they then permitted to drive without an interpreter in the vehicle?


As for illegal immigration - I've been thinking about it and have reached the conclusion that it will soon be relegated to the pages of history.
Isn't the dissolution of borders the next step in the Globalisation that the US is forcing on the rest of the world?

[Gnome]

I'll cover Globalization in upcoming installments. But look at how other 'economic Global sectors' are rising. The E.U., Asia and China ect. The US is not behind this, but old world money that owes aligance to no flag.

Xen- Dont mistake my passion on the subject as hatred. I'm hardly a bigoted red neck (I am a red neck tho). Immigrants are a neccesary for diversity and to show that in spite of it's problems, the US is a really nice place to live. To me the immigrant built this country and conversly displaced and wiped out the indigenous population. I'm proud to be a citizen of a country that offers so much to so many.

However, that very nexus of what makes this a great country is in jeopardy because many who are comming here arnt looking for a hand their looking for a hand out. They arn't assimilating into the Melting Pot. They won't stand up for her as she's falling.

Then everybodys right back to where they started, some third world dictatorship- starving.

[MamaBush]

Zokah, they have to take a written test here as well....to obtain a driver's license. How they do it, when they can't speak or read English, I have no clue.

I'm fine with anyone coming to and remaining in the United States....but, damn, do it legally. It aint all that hard if you really want it.

I will say, I doubt I could pass the exam they have to take to become an American citizen though.

[Gnome]

I'm OK with most people coming to the US and becoming citizens with the exception of hate mongering Muslims, religious extremist of any kind, criminals of any kind, and French. :p

LINK<<<easier than a GED test.>>> LINK (http://www.uscitizenship.info/?ad=adword&keyword=uscis42)

[MamaBush]

HA!!!

[Gnome]

:lol:

[MamaBush]

*grins*

[zokah]

I'm happy I failed it :D

[MamaBush]

so are we

[zokah]

cos you knew I'd start a revolution to outlaw crappy pissweak beer? :D

[MamaBush]

could care less

I probably drink 6 bottles or cans of beer a year

[Gnome]

sweet, your a cheap date :)

[zokah]

why d'ya think xenny was attracted in the 1st place? :D :D :D

[MamaBush]

Xen is not cheap

[i`m a wannabe]

zokie here drivers license test on computer can be done in a dozen different languages but the signs are in english no wonder our traffic is all fucked up

[Gnome]

one would think a big ass red octogonal sign at an intersection would be universal for:
"at least slow the fuck down and be careful" but alas such is not the case.

isn't it xens round? :lol:

[xen]

sure thing, what's your poison?

[Gnome]

rum on the rocks

[zokah]

Have you ever tried Bunderburg rum?

[Gnome]

no, but I'll see if the fantaboulous Lee's Discount Liqour stocks it.

Is it good straight up or need Coke to accompany it?

[zokah]

Real aussie men drink it straight when they're trying to wipe themselves out but it now even comes in a premix with cola, in a couple of different strengths

[Gnome]

the stuff in the can sounds like yuppie libation. I'm more of a purist when it comes to it. occasionaly a rum and coke. And no problem with a well made Bloody Mary.

[zokah]

I am such a purist I will noy buy any premixed spirits for home consumption

[MamaBush]

Did someone say BLOODY MARY?


yummmmmy

[zokah]

with or without tobasco?

[MamaBush]

with, of course

[xen]

of course

[MamaBush]

hiya sexy

[Gnome]

definatly with tobasco and a gigantor celery stalk.

A local pub in the nearby casino has a do it yourself bloody mary bar, has all sorts of stuff you can do up.

[xen]

[QUOTE=MamaBush]hiya sexy[/QUOTE]

hey there gorgeous,,whatchu been upto?

[MamaBush]

[QUOTE=xen]hey there gorgeous,,whatchu been upto?[/QUOTE]oh, a little bit of this and a little bit of that....wanting a whole lot of the other thing, but aint getting it as much as I'd like


you know....same story, different day.....:D

[Gnome]

XIVIII


[COLOR=Teal] We will kill moose and squirrel[/COLOR]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Has anybody else noticed a shift in the news as of late?

I mean how your medias have presented current events...

firstly, I welcome your input of views on what you thought of the last US elections. It showed an obvious

dissatisfaction of the people, and also defined the boundaries of public opinion as to no true confidence in

either party. Just a frustration, that vaguly stunk of revolution. The New woid oder® is having some growing

pains.

meanwhile, Leftist dictatorships are growing yither and yon, and have the worlds ear. And fucking lo and BEHOLD

theres rallys in Moscow. Activist demanding accountability by what they call Putins retreat from democracy.

All we need now is a Tiannamen Square for dessert.

These are the times it ripe for a charismatic leader to arise and lead us into oblivion, happens all the time.

I can hardly wait to see how the 'Party of the People' is going to handle issues such as a war, terrorism, the US

economy, health care, jobs (they love to suck those union dicks) immigration, free trade. Issues that, IMHO

should the first and formost items on the congresses agenda. Items that IMHO will make or break the United States

within twenty years. Yea yea yea, gay marriage, the environment, abortion, and zoo sex are important, but c' mon

folks, lets fucking pri-or-i-tize here!


So while the politicians dry hump each other, our technology and information grows exponentially, our cultures

are evaporating, not changing or evolving, and it's no wonder why the monkeys confused.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[MamaBush]

yup

I'm as confused as that there monkey when it comes to news and politics

there seem to be no clear lines between the parties...both parties simply blow smoke up our asses, telling us all what we want to hear and not what the truth is...I predict a third world war in our lifetime due to the unstableness of way too many countries these days

[Gnome]

we are already in wwIII

[xen]

i'm with switzerland

[MamaBush]

I'll meet you there

[xen]

woo hoo!!!

[Gnome]

hot chockolate in the alps?

[xen]

among other things ;)

[MamaBush]

ahhh yes...among other things....*sighs*

[Gnome]

like dipping nipples in the chocolate fondu??

[MamaBush]

no


other things...*sighs again*

[Gnome]

bratwurst and Seka videos?

[MamaBush]

only if they're beef brats cooked in beer


and, Seka does nothing for me.....


and, I'm still saying, "other things"

[Gnome]

Hans and Franz?

[MamaBush]

ha


ya, those two guys....I want them to PUMP ME UP

[Gnome]

believe me now


and hear me tommorow

[MamaBush]

ha....the good ole days of comedy tv

[Gnome]

I dont think i've seen anything on television thats made me really laugh since Johnny Carson

[MamaBush]

The old Saturday Night Live and the original MAD tv shows were a hoot

now they suck ass for the most part

[Gnome]

Mad tv was cool
I miss Liquid TV

thank God they brought back the Headbangers Ball!

I've gradually lost interest for SNL in a bizzare incremental level

was Eddy Murphy the last good one or Jack Black?

Or Chevy Chase?

[MamaBush]

Oh God...I detest Jack Black...something about him rubs me the wrong way.


ha, Murphy....now, that was greatness

[Gnome]

Dana Carvey as the Church Lady

that was genius!


then there was Second City TV

[MamaBush]

I've never liked Dana Carvey...something about him bugs the hell out of me...I know what it is

he's always fucking grinning, even when he's saying serious lines.

I was taught to never trust someone who grins or smiles all the time....they're hiding something

*grins and smiles*

[Gnome]

maybe they are on the happy drugs and grinning?

[MamaBush]

grinning all the time means a hidden agenda

yup

[Gnome]

for some folks

others may just be so stoked up on Xanax, Starbucks® coffee, and Avril Lavigne they can do little more than sit there with a blank, happy grin.

[MamaBush]

ummmm, if you say so.

or, they may simply be hiding a hidden agenda *grins*

[Gnome]

*grins nervously*

[i`m a wannabe]

everyone has a hidden agenda

as for what gnomey said about WWIII i`m sure the shit will hit in north korea.the crap in Iraq will look like a skirmish once the despot in north korea starts his shit

[Gnome]

I find it interesting- the media portraits our CEO of the NWo: Mr Bush as the reincarnation of Hitler, yet there seems to be no discussion globally on the wonders of Kim Jong Il or Ahmadnijad. Kim Jong is a lonely, wayward fat kid who just wants his blondes and wine, and Ahmadnijad is a professor of humanity studies at UC Berkely :lol:

how quickly the world forgets.