Better than Sex

[Gnome]

......damn! :(

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2723492,00.html

[i`m a wannabe]

obiviously he feared and loathed himself i say

[xen]

R.I.P

[Raven]

Loathing las Vegas was a trip

[zokah]

but I think he enjoyed the ride, what he could remember of it anyway

[Gnome]

mebe his gambling debts caught up with him? :eek:

[MamaBush]

is it worth me taking a long time to download with dial up?


or should I just pass it by?

[MamaBush]

DUH ON ME.........had another blonde moment....just noticed it's a html file.....



FORGIVE ME

[Gnome]

I can say that I've always enjoyed Hunters writtings. Although as I get older and seeming more conservative I also have to put ol' nutbucket Gonzo man in the same counter-culture group that have led many many people to destroy their minds and lives. THere may be a consious side of the 60's and 70's but the truth be told all the drugs and such fucked many people and their families up.

But where is the ballance between stuffy conservatism and the need for a firebrand nihilist to derail the collective unconsious?

[MamaBush]

I like it that someone puts hot issues out there and aren't afraid to speak their minds....



and, along with the drugs and such fucking up many people and their families.....very true. But drugs have been around forever.....I think the Viet Nam war and the civil right's movement had a whole hell of a lot to do with the addictive drug use that occurred.....Earth was not a pretty place to live back then....people wanted some sort of way to escape shit....and they decided on drugs. Also, as the population increases, you're going to see statistics showing more people using drugs....however, if you know anything about statistics, you have to know that as the population increases, so will the numbers showing more drug use. As one goes up, so does the other...UNFORTUNATELY

[zokah]

the real numbers might but what of the percentages?

Was it Thompson that said "Reality is only for people that can't handle drugs?" or that other guru of drug culture Tim Leary?

[Gnome]

True that chemical use by humans goes way back to the first of days. But it was the culture of the 60's that injected mass acceptance of such use directly into the body politic. You never had throngs of people touting opium use in the late 1800's. You didnt have the media showing the negative side of such things like it portrayed the drug culture youth in the 60's with homlessness, overdose, poverty, teen pregnancy, and crime. The contrast the 60's and 70's had of drug use to that thoughout history was it's place in mainstream culture.

And I have some uncles that are walking examples of chemical excess from that time :eek:

Could it have been the Beatles that said that?

Or Reality is the playground of the unimaginative.

[MamaBush]

hmmmm, gotta think about what you said.....shit, it's nice seeing someone wantingn to have a REAL conversation about REAL life shit.....in a SERIOUS way....


you kinda caught me off guard, thus my need to think about it......







REFRESHING.......ahhhhhh

[zokah]

I've read a couple of books recently that claim/show opium use for recreational purposes was rife in Sydney Aust. in the mid to late 1800s and I've seen references to the same problem elsewhere around the same era. Lives were ruined even then, but it was basically ignored similarly to the acoholism and wife beating that was also prevelant then.
I suspect a lot of the attention being paid to it over the last 40 years might be at least partially due to the need for the mass media to have a sensational story that can be accompanied by suitable pics.



Mama, culture started out this way but lack of suitable discussion and the need to keep it ticking over was the reason for the madness we all enjoy

[MamaBush]

all I was saying is it's refreshing once in a while....

I do like the brainless banter....hell, I love it, but this is just nice to see now and again

[Gnome]

Thats what I like about this here forum thinger. The mindless banter with the occasional sophomoric navel gazing.

And when I have a few beers in me, the two can fuse together in a technicolor way.

I can appreciate the cultures who would use hallucinogens for spiritual purposes, that kind of drug use goes back forever. I travel my Desert canyonlands and can see the images of hands on the rocks or of migrations and animals and spirits that the ancients felt, quite often with various hallucinogens. It was part of their culture and it was bigger than themselves.

The spirit could grow.

It seems that in Western culture of the past 50 years trivialized the spirit and replaced it with novelty and cheap bottom line economics. Exploited to the fast food mentality. THus we have generations of people who took drugs to get back at their parents, or the lemming mentality that everybody else is doing it so should I. The drugs are increasingly synthetic and brutal. And I feel drains the spirit.

Ever know a trailer park meth freak? Ever talk to candy ravers who cant find their city on a map?

Who today is willing to relinquish control of their spirit for the sake of a cheap high?

[MamaBush]

hmmmm, damn good comment there too.


I have never spoken to a trailer park meth freak, nor have I ever talked to a candy raver who can't find their city on the map.....sounds INTERESTING though.





all I know is, YES, I feel a major factor in today's drug use is the SYNTHETIC drugs.........but then again, natural drugs can be quite deadly as well...



The first time I ever smoked weed was when I was in my early twenties...then didn't touch it for years and years. I didn't smoke it because I was getting back at my parents, I had already lived away from home for several years. And I certainly didn't smoke it because everyone else was smoking it, I had associated with many weed smokers since my teens...but I had never had the desire to try it. Then on that one night, I was curious and wanted to try it. Hell, told my mom the next morning that I had smoked weed.......I'm very close with my mom....she's not only my mom, she's my best friend........




but I digress.......

[zokah]

I can't argue about the designer drugs and even a lot of the hydro weed available today with some of the shit chemicals they are feeding it.
I did prolly experiment at first due to the surfers culture and if anything I'm guilty of perpetuating the drugs within the culture cos the grommets see me having a toke most mornings unless the conditions are huge or dangerous. It without doubt enhances the experience of gliding across the face of a wave.

[i`m a wannabe]

one thing you all forgot to mention in the 1800`s England created the opium wars in china when they used opium to trade with the chinese,thus screwing up another part of the world.

[MamaBush]

ah yes, European's pissing on the world even back then


now it's the United States that likes to do the pissing

[LTDunltd]

[QUOTE=MamaBush]I like it that someone puts hot issues out there and aren't afraid to speak their minds....



and, along with the drugs and such fucking up many people and their families.....very true. But drugs have been around forever.....I think the Viet Nam war and the civil right's movement had a whole hell of a lot to do with the addictive drug use that occurred.....Earth was not a pretty place to live back then....people wanted some sort of way to escape shit....and they decided on drugs. Also, as the population increases, you're going to see statistics showing more people using drugs....however, if you know anything about statistics, you have to know that as the population increases, so will the numbers showing more drug use. As one goes up, so does the other...UNFORTUNATELY[/QUOTE]
[size=2]Unfortunately statistics can be skewed to show favoritism to which ever side you want them to.

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[MamaBush]

well, DUH........I learned how to do that back in Experimental Psychology......we skewed our own experiments to favor our hypothesis





God......you'd think Larry thought I was some dumby or sumpin















































*throws kisses and hugs at my bud*

[LTDunltd]

catches said kisses & hugs...
I knew you knew that. I just ran into someone who tried to use skewed data to show me how her side of the issue was the right way to go. It just pisses me off... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[i`m a wannabe]

statistics are always that...one way to prove one point....not prove the whole picture

[zokah]

there are lies, damn lies and statistics :D

[Gnome]

In the current political pigwallow between Liberal and conservative mindsets each side likes to vomit forth volumes of this that and the other to 'prove' their argument. The fact is few people have their pulse on the absolute truths and what some things appear as, are merely wheels within wheels.

For example:

The Left likes to hammer Bush as a hypocritcal, war mongering, corporate suck up, wheras theres truth to that, theres also the truth that the man can not commit the military power of the US all by his lonesome. He needed a majority vote of the Congress as well as the permission of various heads of state, New World Order leash holders and a few captains of industry and Old Money Old Power families. The scenarios have been played and replayed and rehashed and resized within many global think tanks. Results of which have been also run through some of the planets most powerful super computers (think Crays). From this and similar techniques most the worlds policies are forged.


The truth can not be all encompassed readily.

[LTDunltd]

[size=2]Worthless Post Whoring

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